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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 27, 2010 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

UJ - Glad you called out the time signature part. Interesting (or not) story - about a month ago my son and I were headed off to see the Bobby Lee Rodgers Trio here in Va Beach. I had a CD in, can't remeber which show it was, and Estimated was playing. Out of the blue, my son looks over and remarks something along the line of "Whatever made them decide to go with a 7/4 signature?"

He plays guitar and has an understanding of time signatures. Other than riding with me he doesn't listen to the Dead that much - I thought it was pretty cool that he caught it and figured it out.

You should check out some of Umphrey's McGee material. They have several songs with multiple time signature changes within a single song - with some of the shifts coming within a measure. Not sure if the song worked out that way, or if they decided to do the time shifting and wrote the song around that concept.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 27, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

>"Whatever made them decide to go with a 7/4 signature?"

I'm impressed; I can't do that! Neither can my kid. Well, at least he likes Dark Stars, so there's hope :-)

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 27, 2010 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

This helps me. Listen to PITB, start counting when the singing starts. You'll notice that the song's phrasing and pauses are on seven counts. Just keep counting 1 through 7 and you'll likely start to hear the beat in the musical phrasing too. Or, you'll want to reach across the world and strangle me.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 27, 2010 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

Even easier with The Eleven - count fast with Billy - 1-2-3-4-5-6- 1-2-3-4-5... really gives this song its own unique flavor.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 27, 2010 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

Yeah, I actually figured that out with the Eleven. Given that it's called The Eleven. (The more obvious the hint, the better :-) )

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 27, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Comparing Bob and Jerry

Playin's intro and reprise intro is in a 10/8 time signature. Its predecessor was The Main Ten. You can hear 7-8-9-10 being counted out before the first note is played on numerous live recordings.

Example:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-09-16.matrix.sb20.chappell.77442.flac16



This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2010-10-28 02:38:45

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